Comments on: Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

By: arcee

arcee — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:27:11 +0000

The word “worship” has undergone a change in meaning in English. It comes from the Old English “weorthscipe”, which means “the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity.” To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God. For many centuries the term “worship”simply meant showing respect or honor. For example, British subjects refer to their magistrates as “Your Worship”though Americans would say “Your Honor.” It means that they are giving them the honor appropriate to their office, not the honor appropriate to God. Today, however, the English term worship has been narrowed in scope to indicate only that supreme form of honor, reverence, and respect that is due to God. So early Christian theologians began to differentiate between different types of honor to make clearer which is due to God and which is not. The early Christians used the Greek term “latria” to refer to the honor that is due to God alone (note that idolatry contains the suffix latria)and the term “dulia”to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially the saints. Scriptur indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matthew 10:41). A special term was coined to refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus – God the Son, ion her womb. This term, “hyperdulia,”indicates that the honor due to heras Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to the other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind.However, since she is a finite creature, this honor due to her is fundamentally different from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.These 3 terms used to be lumped under one English word worship. Check Genesis 37:7-9, Gen 49:8, Exodus 18:7. On these 3 passages the term worship was used to translate the Hebrew word “shakkah”. It is appropriately used for humans, and is different from the kind of worship given to God. Also check Lev 19:32, Ex28:2, Rom 13:7, 1Tim 6:1, and the broadest command to honor is perhaps found in 1Pet 2:17. Paul also stresses the importance of honoring religious figures (1Tim5:17). So if there can be nothing wrong with honoring the living, who still have an opportunity to ruin their lives through sin, there certainly can be no argument against giving honor to saints whose lives are done and who ended them in sanctity.

By: arcee

arcee — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:06:25 +0000

Good afternoon sir.i will answer your questions later.i think there’s a limit in posting my comments.Godbless

By: arcee

arcee — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:02:25 +0000

During the visitation of Mary to her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth was filled with the
Holy Spirit and cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb!(Luke 1:42)

But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?(Luke 1:43)
Elizabeth,filled with the Holy Spirit, called Mary as the Mother of her Lord.We call
Mary as the Mother of God because Jesus is God the Son and Mary is her mother.Whenever
we pray the Hail Mary, we are blessing Mary the way God the Father and God the Holy
Spirit did.( By the way, I believe you believe in the Holy Trinity but can you show me
where is that in the Bible?as well as altar calling, denominations, Sunday worship and
accept Jesus as your personal Savior? To name a few.)
Let us check Luke 1:46-48;
And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for
he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will
call me blessed,
From now on all generations will call Her blessed. Are you part of the generation that
calls her blessed? It is obvious then that those generations who bless Her are Her
children.And what about those who refuses to honor Her,are they those offsprings of the
devil?For there will always be two generations here on earth: Mary’s offsprings and the
Satan’s offsprings.No wonder why some Christians hate the Rosary, its the devil’s work.
Mary’s first offspring is Christ and those who call Christ their brother and Lord should
also accept Mary as their spiritual Mother.Mary can raise a Christian the way she raised Jesus in His hidden life in Nazareth.
The Holy Rosary is not an ordinary prayer.It is a meditative prayer consisting of vocal
and mental prayers.Mentally we meditate on the principal event of Jesus’and Mary’s life.
They are the mysteries of our salvation.They are entirely biblical.The vocal prayers
consists of Our Father (Jesus taught this prayer), Hail Mary, and Glory be( Glory be to
the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.As it was in the beginning is now and
ever shall be world without end.Amen.)

By: Ptr. Vince

Ptr. Vince — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:17:31 +0000

Hmmm… I think the complication is not in the words “honor” and “glory”. Jesus himself used this word several times for his disciples (ex. John17:22), but the main argument here is “what kind of honor” or “what kind of glory”.

Quoting what you said in your comment, “maybe you dont know the role of Mary in the salvation of men”. Can you please elaborate this role? But please mind you, if you are talking about Mary can save people, please give us a “Scriptural” background here.

What you have said in this 2nd comment are mostly true. And I think there is no argument with it except that, I can imagine you doing something more than honoring. We also honor Mary by the way, as a mother of Jesus. And again, we really don’t argue with the phrase “Mary full of grace the Lord is with you, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb…” simply because this is very Biblical.

But please clarify us those things that are NOT Biblical, “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners…”

Also, in the Bible, you will never see an Apostle, a disciple or an angel who allowed themselves to be worshiped by bowing down before them in the form of worship. In fact, you will see lots of passages that they forbid this kind of “honoring” which leads to worship. But please, if there is anything in the Bible that says there, bow and worship “Mary” or at least do that kind of honoring, please quote us the passage. Thank you!

By: Ptr. Vince

Ptr. Vince — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:59:18 +0000

Keep it coming… You should be able to post everything. But please know that this site is protected by anti-spamming. Maybe it’s blocking you for posting comments 2-3 consecutive times within a short period of time. Anyway, please try it again.

By: arcee

arcee — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:36:16 +0000

i wonder why i can not post the whole thing.brb

By: arcee

arcee — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:51 +0000

serpent, which is satan, with his offspring, and the woman, which is Mary,and with her offspring. And the offspring of Mary will crush the head of the serpent.14So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspringa and hers; he will crushb your head, and you will strike his heel.”( Gen3:14-15)
We can see in Luke how Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary in that event known as the Annunciation. see Luke1:26-38.The annunciation is God’s announcement through the angel Gabriel of the coming Redeemer.Whenever we say Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, we are reminded by that joyful event when God,out of his infinite mercy and love for all of us, send His begotten Son to the world through Mary.She is full of grace because she bore in her womb the grace Himself Jesus Christ our Lord.If God Himself honoured Mary and chose her to be the mother of our Lord Jesus, who are we not to honor Her as well?And one of the flaws I saw on your comment above is equating honor and glory.To give honor is different from giving glory.Only God should be glorified.But we can give honor to those people worthy of it.Even in the ten commandments God said honor your father and your mother.If God commanded us to honor our earthly father and mother, what more is the mother of our Lord who in the cross,out of love for us, also given us the right to be her children and her to be our mother?Remember on the cross when Jesus told his mother, “Woman, behold your son?”and to John “Son, behold your mother?”

By: Ptr. Vince

Ptr. Vince — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:31:18 +0000

@arcee
Don’t keep on babbling… please point out Biblical Scriptures about your arguments that Mary is a part of salvation. All you have been saying are personal attacks and not a refute of what has been posted. If you are pissed-off with what the Scriptures is saying and cannot answer nor refute these truths, then good luck to what you believe and stand. Nobody forces you to believe what was written here. After all, you will still find out what is true and what is wrong. when you face the Creator.

By: arcee

arcee — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:07:29 +0000

thank you for your attack against the rosary bros. You just proved how ignorant you are regarding the sound doctrines we have as Catholics. By the way would it not be more pleasing to God if you preach your own doctrines to your own ministry? Why bother to study your neighbors faith? To prove what?Are you jealous for what we have and what we believe? Or do you consider yourself as God and judge us according to your own understanding? Im pretty sure you know what the bible tells and what is not. Same like the Pharisees who mocked those who believe Jesus.They are the doctors of the law. Yet they were fool enough not to acknowledge Him. Or were they too proud with their standing that they’ve been blind?by the way be careful in judging others because Jesus said whatever measure you used to others will be the same measure that will be used unto you.And worst, Jesus told His disciples that “It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household!”(Matt 10:25)
meaning: if the Catholic church was malignantly accused as 666 it is because Jesus Himself has been called Beelzebul by those teachers of the law who were supposed to be the one to recognize him as the Messiah.God bless us bros.And let all our souls not be lost. May the Lady of the Rosary take care of our soul and may the Holy Spirit nourished us with true wisdom.that we may understand the TRUTH.we Catholics offer reparation to the immaculate heart of our Lady because of the ingratitude and disrespect we give to our Beloved Mother.maybe you dont know the role of Mary in the salvation of men.thanks God we know.and we have the peace of Christ. What about you, are you disturbed by our “idolatry-ism?”

By: oggie

oggie — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:18:09 +0000

THE ANATHEMAS OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT CANNOT BE REVOKED

According to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church,” the Catholic doctrine of infallibility applies not only to the Pope, but also to Church Councils (including the Council of Trent). [Note 16]

As a result, the official statements of the Council of Trent are considered to be infallible. This means that they cannot be changed. Therefore, the anathemas of the Council of Trent cannot be revoked.

The Catholic Church may find it expedient not to call people’s attention to these anathemas, but it cannot revoke them.

The present preference for a gentler approach to people who disagree with Catholic doctrine may explain the apparent discrepancy between the Council of Trent and the ecumenical movement.

The Catholic Church is engaging in ecumenical dialog with Protestants, calling them “separated brethren,” and speaking as if it respects their beliefs. But at the same time, behind the scenes, it still officially declares that they are damned to hell because of their beliefs.